Legislature(2011 - 2012)CAPITOL 106

02/21/2012 08:00 AM House STATE AFFAIRS


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*+ HB 304 ALASKA FIRE STANDARDS COUNCIL TELECONFERENCED
Moved Out of Committee
+ HJR 34 COAST GUARD ICEBREAKERS & ARCTIC BASE TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHJR 34(STA) Out of Committee
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
+= HB 254 ALASKA NATIVE LANGUAGE COUNCIL TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 254(STA) Out of Committee
              HB 304-ALASKA FIRE STANDARDS COUNCIL                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:06:30 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LYNN announced  that the first order of  business was HOUSE                                                               
BILL NO.  304, "An Act relating  to the membership of  the Alaska                                                               
Fire Standards Council."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:06:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CRAIG  JOHNSON,   Alaska  State  Legislature,  as                                                               
sponsor, introduced HB 304.  He  deferred to his staff to present                                                               
the proposed legislation.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:07:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ERIN  SHINE, Staff,  Representative Craig  Johnson, Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature,  presented  HB  304   on  behalf  of  Representative                                                               
Johnson, sponsor.   She noted  that the sponsor statement  in the                                                               
committee  packet shows  two changes  [to the  membership of  the                                                               
Alaska  Fire Standards  Council (AFSC)],  and she  explained that                                                               
there is  a third change  that did not  make it into  the sponsor                                                               
statement in  time for the bill  hearing.  She said  the proposed                                                               
legislation would  make the following  three changes  relating to                                                               
AFSC:   designate  an existing  seat to  a member  of the  Alaska                                                               
Professional Fire  Fighters Association (AKPFFA); add  a seat for                                                               
a  member  of the  Alaska  Fire  Chiefs Association  (AFCA);  and                                                               
reclassify the  existing seat for  the Alaska  State Firefighters                                                               
Association (ASFA)  from "firefighter administrative  officer" to                                                               
"a member of" the association.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SHINE  stated that  the  mission  of  AFSC is  to  establish                                                               
professional standards for fire  service personnel and curriculum                                                               
requirements  for the  certification of  training programs.   She                                                               
said  AKPFFA, an  affiliate of  the International  Association of                                                               
Fire  Fighters,  represents  roughly  500  career  fire  fighters                                                               
throughout the  state.  She relayed  that the mission of  AFCA is                                                               
to serve  the people of the  state of Alaska by  influencing fire                                                               
and emergency  services programs  in legislation,  advancing fire                                                               
and  emergency  services  professionals, and  providing  for  the                                                               
safety  and well-being  of fire  fighters and  their communities.                                                               
She said  the mission  of ASFA  is to  serve its  members through                                                               
professionalism  and  leadership,   thereby  enhancing  the  fire                                                               
rescue services of Alaska.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SHINE said  under HB  304,  the Governor  would appoint  one                                                               
member of AKPFFA,  one member of ASFA, and one  member of AFCA to                                                               
the council from  a list of at least three  nominees submitted by                                                               
each association.   She said the intent of the  bill is to ensure                                                               
that AKPFFA,  ASFA, and AFCA  are represented on the  Alaska Fire                                                               
Standards  Council and  to guarantee  their designees  can "speak                                                               
with the full confidence of their respective associations."                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:10:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. SHINE,  in response  to a question  from Chair  Lynn, offered                                                               
her understanding  that the need  for HB  304 was voiced  by AFCA                                                               
and AKPFFA, as well as through letters of support from AFSC.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:12:14 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PETERSEN   asked,  "So,  instead  of   having  an                                                               
administrator,  we're having  a  professional fire  fighter -  an                                                               
experienced fire fighter  - on the council instead?   Is that ...                                                               
why that was switched?"                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. SHINE answered yes.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:12:36 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. SHINE,  in response to  Representative P. Wilson,  said after                                                               
asking  all three  associations and  the council,  she could  not                                                               
find  any  opposition to  the  proposed  bill.   In  response  to                                                               
Representative Seaton, she offered  her understanding that HB 304                                                               
includes all  fire fighter associations  of Alaska;  however, she                                                               
deferred to upcoming witnesses for verification.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:14:04 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JEFF  TUCKER, Fire  Chief, North  Star Volunteer  Fire Department                                                               
(NSVFD); Past  President, Alaska Fire Chiefs  Association (AFCA),                                                               
testifying in support of HB  304, confirmed Ms. Shine's answer to                                                               
Representative  Seaton that  [HB 304]  would represent  the three                                                               
statewide organizations  that represent fire  fighters throughout                                                               
Alaska.   He said AFCA,  along with  AKPFFA, has worked  with the                                                               
council  to give  those two  organizations representation  on the                                                               
council; ASFA  already had a  seat on the  council.  He  said the                                                               
decisions of the council have  a direct influence on fire service                                                               
provisions  and  fire  fighter   training.    He  emphasized  the                                                               
importance of having direct representation on the council.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:15:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  cited  AS  18.70.360,  which  read  as                                                               
follows:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 18.70.360.  Alaska fire services personnel fund.                                                                      
     The Alaska  fire services personnel fund  is created in                                                                    
     the general  fund. The fund consists  of appropriations                                                                    
     made by  the legislature to  the fund. The  council may                                                                    
     use the money  in the fund to carry out  its powers and                                                                    
     duties.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  noted  that   AS  18.70.350  does  not                                                               
reference the  Alaska fire services  personnel fund.  He  said he                                                               
thinks the  last sentence in  AS 18.70.360 would  normally appear                                                               
in AS 18.70  350.  He said  he would like to know  more about the                                                               
fund.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:17:10 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SHINE said  she would  have  to get  back to  Representative                                                               
Gruenberg with an answer.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:17:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LYNN asked what Representative  Gruenberg's question has to                                                               
do with the number people on the council.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG answered nothing,  but indicated that it                                                               
is related.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:18:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. TUCKER deferred to Gordon  Descutner to answer Representative                                                               
Gruenberg's question.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:18:49 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TOM  WESCOTT, President,  testified in  support  of HB  304.   He                                                               
stated  that AKPFFA  represents  fire fighters  from Kotzebue  to                                                               
Ketchikan.   He said both the  fire chief and AKPFFA  have worked                                                               
with the council to be represented  on the council and to get the                                                               
support of  the council for  the proposed legislation.   He said,                                                               
"Speaking  for  both,  it's  basically  our  goal  to  bring  our                                                               
experience, our expertise,  and our resources to the  board in an                                                               
effort to help the board fulfill its mission."                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:20:13 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. WESCOTT, in response to  Representative P. Wilson, said there                                                               
are criteria for a fire fighter  from a town with a population of                                                               
less  than  2,500,  as  well  as  one from  a  town  that  has  a                                                               
population  greater  than  that.   In  response  to  a  follow-up                                                               
question, he  said there  was no major  event that  brought about                                                               
the  realization that  the proposed  changes  were needed;  there                                                               
were a  couple meetings,  where the idea  was generated  that the                                                               
people who  make up AKPFFA  and AFCA  have something to  offer to                                                               
the  council.   He  confirmed that  there  are seven  communities                                                               
represented  by  AKPFFA.    In   response  to  Representative  P.                                                               
Wilson's query as  to whether AKPFFA would "try to  get more," he                                                               
said, "Well, certainly."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:22:51 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SHINE,   in  response   to  Representative   Petersen,  said                                                               
currently there are 11 members  serving on the council and, under                                                               
HB 304, there would be 12.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:24:36 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GORDON  DESCUTNER,  Executive  Director,  Alaska  Fire  Standards                                                               
Council (AFSC),  Department of Public  Safety (DPS),  in response                                                               
to  Representative   Gruenberg's  previous  question,   said  the                                                               
original intent  of the council  was to  collect a fee  from home                                                               
insurance premiums  that would  be put into  a dedicated  fund to                                                               
support the council;  however, that never materialized.   He said                                                               
that language  is still in  statute, but technically there  is no                                                               
money in  a fire services  personnel fund.   He said  the council                                                               
does have the authority to  collect receipts, which are tied most                                                               
directly  to  testing and  certification,  but  are not  tied  to                                                               
council  travel,  which  has,  to date,  been  covered  with  the                                                               
council's  general   funds.     In  response   to  Representative                                                               
Gruenberg, he said he does not  know why the provision in statute                                                               
for the  fund has never  been implemented.   He said there  was a                                                               
lot of work done about 10  years ago regarding this issue, but no                                                               
agreement was reached with the  insurance agencies and "the other                                                               
personnel  that were  involved with  the early  formation of  the                                                               
council."   He stated his  belief that because of  the difficulty                                                               
reaching  an  agreement,  [the   council]  chose  an  alternative                                                               
solution, part of  which was to at least  have the administrative                                                               
services and travel  costs for council members  covered under the                                                               
general fund.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LYNN requested that the  bill sponsor check into this issue                                                               
and report his  findings to the next committee of  referral - the                                                               
House Finance Committee.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG said  he  would like  a  copy of  those                                                               
findings.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:27:45 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LYNN,  after ascertaining  that there was  no one  else who                                                               
wished to testify, closed public testimony.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:28:13 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER  moved to  report HB  304 out  of committee                                                               
with  individual  recommendations  and  the  accompanying  fiscal                                                               
notes.  There being no objection,  HB 304 was reported out of the                                                               
House State Affairs Standing Committee.                                                                                         

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
01 HB 304 Version I .pdf HSTA 2/21/2012 8:00:00 AM
HB 304
02 HB 304 Sponsor Statement.pdf HSTA 2/21/2012 8:00:00 AM
HB 304
03 HB 304 Sectional Analysis.pdf HSTA 2/21/2012 8:00:00 AM
04 HB 304 APFFA Brochure.pdf HSTA 2/21/2012 8:00:00 AM
HB 304
05 HB 304 AFCA Letter of Support.pdf HSTA 2/21/2012 8:00:00 AM
HB 304
06 HB 304 AFSC Letter of Support for AFCA.pdf HSTA 2/21/2012 8:00:00 AM
HB 304
07 HB 304 AFSC Letter of Support for AKPFFA.pdf HSTA 2/21/2012 8:00:00 AM
HB 304
08 HB 304 AKPFFA Letter of Support.pdf HSTA 2/21/2012 8:00:00 AM
09 HB 304 AFCA - About Us.pdf HSTA 2/21/2012 8:00:00 AM
HB 304
01 HJR034B.pdf HSTA 2/21/2012 8:00:00 AM
02 HJR 34 Explanation of Changes from HJR 34 to CSHJR 34 (MLV).pdf HSTA 2/21/2012 8:00:00 AM
03 HJR 34 Sponsor Statement Final for STA.pdf HSTA 2/21/2012 8:00:00 AM
04 HJR 34 Zero Fiscal Note.pdf HSTA 2/21/2012 8:00:00 AM
05 HJR 34 - 12.01.11-LG Treadwell on Icebreakers.pdf HSTA 2/21/2012 8:00:00 AM
06 HJR 34 - ANWTF Recs PP 14-21.pdf HSTA 2/21/2012 8:00:00 AM
07 HJR 34 - Ltr from Lawson Brigham.pdf HSTA 2/21/2012 8:00:00 AM
08 HJR 34 - STA Amendment.pdf HSTA 2/21/2012 8:00:00 AM
10 HB304-DPS-FSC-02-17-12.pdf HSTA 2/21/2012 8:00:00 AM
HB 304